When the Global Hits the Local – Part 2

    To read part 1 go here.

    To the Wakefield News:

    The Wakefield News has seemed like a peaceful place for the past little while, after the flurry of posts discussing what should be allowed on this list. But I have recently learned that this is a manufactured peace, imposed on us by the list’s admins.

    I know of two list members whose posts have been flagged for moderation, meaning that all their posts must first be approved by the admins before being disseminated, and that some of their posts have been deemed inappropriate, and censored. There may very well be more that I am not aware of. (If you don’t hear from me again after this post, you’ll know what happened.)

    When these two members have asked the admins why their posts have been censored, they usually receive no answer. Once, one received the answer: because “you disrespected us.” You can read more about this member’s interaction with the admins, in his own words, here.

    I reached out to the admins privately, hoping to persuade them that they owe it to our community to be transparent about how they are administrating this list. I was not aware that moderation was an option, as I suspect many of you are not either. They did answer me once, saying that, “The majority of members want local content,” and that they intend to use post moderation and, if necessary, banning members to keep it that way. When I followed up that email with another in which I asked them if they intended to inform our community of their actions, I received no reply.

    So I am writing the list today to inform everyone that this is how our list is being managed.

    I want to say here that I do not think our admins are bad people. They are community members who are volunteering and doing what they see as best for our community. I’m sure their actions make perfect sense to them.

    But the people they are censoring are also not bad people, and yet their voices are being excluded from our community. The admins claim that “the majority” want only local content on this list, and they base this on the “many emails” they have received privately saying so. But we were all witness to the many people who wrote publicly on this list that they would like to be exposed to content that goes beyond the local. I don’t think that any empirical claim can be made by anyone as to what “the majority” wants this list to be.

    It seems to me that an opportunity was lost by the admins to take all the feedback received about this list and do something with it. Convene a committee of volunteers to suggest a compromise; rewrite the rules to make them clearer; create a poll. But instead, the admins simply ignored it all, and imposed a “local only” interpretation of the rules.

    In one of only two posts the admins made to this group during this controversy, on Feb. 2, titled “Reminder of the purpose, rules and how to get banned from this group”, they quoted the “editorial statement” of the News as:

    “The Wakefield and Outaouais News is a community bulletin board for information about the Outaouais.” (their red added)

    However, the actual statement on the website reads that the Wakefield News is, “An uncensored, bilingual, community bulletin board for information about the Outaouais.” (my red added)

    The admins chose to highlight the “information about the Outaouais” part, but literally censored the part about it being uncensored. Oh, the irony!

    Now, some of you are probably asking yourselves, “How can you have a list that is supposed to be about only one thing that is also uncensored?” And you’re absolutely right. This editorial statement is internally inconsistent. But my point is that the admins could have interpreted it either way, and they chose the “local only” way.

    Even if your interpretation favours the local, there’s no reason why the mission of this list can’t evolve with the times. We’re living in an increasingly dangerous world, and hiding our heads in the sand will only make us less prepared as a community to deal with it. The global, sooner or later, becomes the local.

    This list doesn’t belong to the admins. This list is a commons, a community resource, of which they are just the current, temporary, caretakers. I do not recognize their authority over it. They are not even following their own rules. They:

    – ignore the “editorial statement” about the list being “uncensored”

    – censor people who have not broken the only two stated rules: “Be nice”, and “Do not post the same message more than once per 24 hours”

    – refuse to tell the list that they are moderating some members

    – moderate members on the basis of them “disrespecting the admins” without making a request to that member (as the “How to get permanently banned” section states) or even informing them that they are being moderated

    – refuse to clarify what are confusing and contradictory rules

    – continue to allow some non-local content that they deem inoffensive (or meet some other criteria – we don’t really know because they don’t tell us)

    You can read the rules here: https://groups.io/g/wakefieldnews/wiki/13982

    Those who wish to keep this list focused on the local have stated repeatedly, “Why don’t those who want a more broadly focused list just create their own?”

    To this I answer: “Why don’t those who want a solely local list create their own?”

    Or, even better: “Why can’t we all coexist on the same list?” Is it really so hard to skip – or mute – topics not of interest to you? Why does the need for some people to be totally unexposed to anything beyond the local trump the need for others to freely exchange ideas and information in the same forum?

    Wakefield is a very outward looking community. While we work hard making a better world close to home, we also don’t turn our backs on the wider world. We are lucky to live where we do, and we feel an obligation to share our privilege with those less fortunate. It seems so anomalous to have a flagship local community space, such as the Wakefield News, voluntarily emasculate itself.

    True community is a messy thing, but a beautifully messy thing. It’s a place where radically different people learn to live together, maybe even learn to see things a different way. If the Wakefield News split into two groups, it would be a failure of community. The more we talk only to people with whom we agree, the less community flourishes.

    And this is a community that knows how to talk to itself. Without exception, all the comments posted on the Wakefield News during the recent controversy were respectful. The admins have it wrong: it’s not respect towards themselves that should get people censored, it’s respect between members of this community that should matter, and we’ve proven ourselves more than capable of having grown-up conversions in a constructive manner. We don’t need to be treated like children.

    Phil Cohen said that he created the Wakefield News to make a “stronger community based on love.” You don’t learn to love your neighbours by avoiding difficult conversations with them. You learn to love them by having those conversations, in a respectful way, thus gaining a better understanding of their point of view. I share Phil’s desire to strengthen our community, and I strongly believe that strength is in our diversity.

    The opportunity to listen to the community and respond is not gone. I believe our admins are willing to listen, as caring members of our community, if they believe there is a strong desire to expand the mandate of the Wakefield News beyond just the local. If you’d like to write them, you can reach them at wakefieldnews+owner@groups.io.

    May a different sort of peace come to the Wakefield News – not one based on the suppression of voices raising uncomfortable subjects, but by the collective action of a community showing strength and love in its diversity.

    7 thoughts on “When the Global Hits the Local – Part 2”

    1. Andrew Murray Salkeld

      Well done, Sean.
      You have identified the inconsistencies.
      The solution seems to me to have 2 sections to the News.
      Another point is this. Private opinion on world affairs is created as a result of personal interpretation of international news and reporting, which in itself retains the bias of the beholder and the paymaster. But our private opinions are also culled and created from the opinions of others. And the others we trust most are those around us. Leaving the question, how are we to know the opinions of these other locals unless there is a forum for local debate.
      But as you and I know there is also no objective reporting and no objective truth. But we are not satisfied until we possess by hook or by crook a personal opinion that satisfies all our personal biases and criteria. And then we take up the cudgels with those whose opinions drawn from the same sources and held up to similar moral standards, disagree with us. It’s a form of madness. Oh! Happy Day!

    2. I appreciate and agree with what you are saying here Sean. I also appreciate the current admins and the complexity of their roles. I hope we can find a way to remain as one.

    3. If only everyone could make such efforts as you have to be respectful and decent in their examining differences and calling for change. Using statements such as

      “I want to say here that I do not think our admins are bad people. They are community members who are volunteering and doing what they see as best for our community. I’m sure their actions make perfect sense to them.”

      “It seems to me that an opportunity was lost by the admins to take all the feedback received about this list and do something with it.”

      “there’s no reason why the mission of this list can’t evolve with the times”.

      “I believe our admins are willing to listen, as caring members of our community, if they believe there is a strong desire to expand the mandate of the Wakefield News beyond just the local.”

      This well meaning, non-aggressive kind of approach gives me hope that the issue will be resolved amicably. Sometimes, though for various reasons, only the views of one side must prevail. Nevertheless, a substantive discussion on principle will have been had and all will have benefited from the exchange.

    4. I agree with this sensible point: “Why can’t we all coexist on the same list?” Is it really so hard to skip – or mute – topics not of interest to you? Why does the need for some people to be totally unexposed to anything beyond the local trump the need for others to freely exchange ideas and information in the same forum?

    5. The Wakefield News admins wasted no time in banning me from the list after the post above. My mom, Edythe Butler, and Paola De Rose both subsequently tried to comment on my post and are also now banned. Robert Snikkar has suffered a similar fate for showing support. It seems the criteria for this list is not local-only, but non-questioning only. So silly and unnecessary. If you find this unacceptable, please write publicly to the list or privately to the admins (wakefieldnews+owner@groups.io).

    6. We can and we should share civil dscourse in an open forum of free speech. We are adults who will be held accountable by the group and we have many memebres with knowledge and expertise who speak with love and consideration. We should learn form each other and not silence any respectful discourse.

    7. Here is the post that got me banned from Wakefiled News…Rob Snikkar

      to wakefieldnews

      I commend Sean Butler and Vagner Castillo for their work in creating blogs to converse with the community about important topics dear to them and to many members of this Wakefield News forum.

      But I want to say that we as a community need a forum for all these ideas and voices.
      If we were to create a proliferation of blogs to satisfy the voices of respectful and passionate members of this community we would be creating silos and erecting walls between us.

      We are respectful adults and we can listen and learn from each other.

      Any one of us can read, reply, ignore, or mute topics that have no interest to us – this platform gives us that power. I don’t believe that it should give us the power to silence another – unless they are being disrespectful, hateful, or personally attacking another member.

      I also do not accept the idea that an individual, a small group, or a “majority” has the right to grant the privilege of free speech – NO – free speech is a right guaranteed to minority voices or it is not free at all.

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